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	<title>Comments on: cap-and-trade vs. carbon tax in canada</title>
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	<description>Jeremy Handcock</description>
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		<title>By: aperte.org &#187; canada&#8217;s election: disappointment</title>
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		<dc:creator>aperte.org &#187; canada&#8217;s election: disappointment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 01:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stéphane Dion for putting forth the Green Shift, his proposed carbon tax system. Regardless of carbon tax versus cap-and-trade, I feel that we&#8217;re unlikely to see more federal leadership on carbon pricing any time soon. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stéphane Dion for putting forth the Green Shift, his proposed carbon tax system. Regardless of carbon tax versus cap-and-trade, I feel that we&#8217;re unlikely to see more federal leadership on carbon pricing any time soon. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Handcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Handcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post! As other countries (and states down south) move towards cap and trade it seems to me that it&#039;s a marketplace that we would want to be a part of so in the long run I think cap and trade is a good alternative but it takes time to set up, agreements etc. where as a carbon tax seems relatively easy to put in place. Can&#039;t wait to watch the debates!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post! As other countries (and states down south) move towards cap and trade it seems to me that it's a marketplace that we would want to be a part of so in the long run I think cap and trade is a good alternative but it takes time to set up, agreements etc. where as a carbon tax seems relatively easy to put in place. Can't wait to watch the debates!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jon pipitone: Thanks for your comments!

It *is* important to recognize that a carbon tax and a cap-and-trade policy are the same thing in economic terms.  You can cut through a lot of the political rhetoric in the debate between the two approaches with this point.  You can bet that the left will go head-to-head on carbon tax vs. cap-and-trade during the debates and they&#039;ll be talking a lot about which one is better for the economy.  Both approaches are a tax.

Economically equivalent?  Yes.  But obviously the devil is in the details and the approaches can differ substantially in terms of actual policy implementation.

Of course we should have done something about emissions like 35 years ago, but unfortunately climate change wasn&#039;t really on the political radar in Canada until Kyoto.  It was only in the last federal election that the environment became a substantial issue.  Maybe we can thank Al Gore, I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s the way it should have been, but that was the political reality.  In any case, Jean Chrétien&#039;s and Paul Martin&#039;s majority governments had an opportunity to put a plan in place and they blew it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jon pipitone: Thanks for your comments!</p>
<p>It *is* important to recognize that a carbon tax and a cap-and-trade policy are the same thing in economic terms.  You can cut through a lot of the political rhetoric in the debate between the two approaches with this point.  You can bet that the left will go head-to-head on carbon tax vs. cap-and-trade during the debates and they'll be talking a lot about which one is better for the economy.  Both approaches are a tax.</p>
<p>Economically equivalent?  Yes.  But obviously the devil is in the details and the approaches can differ substantially in terms of actual policy implementation.</p>
<p>Of course we should have done something about emissions like 35 years ago, but unfortunately climate change wasn't really on the political radar in Canada until Kyoto.  It was only in the last federal election that the environment became a substantial issue.  Maybe we can thank Al Gore, I don't know.  I'm not saying that's the way it should have been, but that was the political reality.  In any case, Jean Chrétien's and Paul Martin's majority governments had an opportunity to put a plan in place and they blew it.</p>
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		<title>By: jon pipitone</title>
		<link>http://aperte.org/2008/09/16/cap-and-trade-vs-carbon-tax-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-26797</link>
		<dc:creator>jon pipitone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two quick things:

You state in a big bold letters that cap-and-trade is equivalent to a carbon tax, but then you go on to explain a) how it&#039;s only economically equivalent (whatever *that* means) and then b) all sorts of other differences.  It seems to me that your big bold lettered message isn&#039;t at all what you want Canadian voters to understand.

Also, in your second last sentence you say &quot;.. in my opinion, we&#039;re already playing catch-up&quot; when refering to our country dealing with greenhouse gas emisions.  Let&#039;s be clear: we can stop playing it safe now with our language -- we certainly *are* playing catch-up now.  It&#039;s not just your opinion or really a point worth debating now.  We *are* in a big mess and the time to start fixing it was, you know, like, 35 years ago at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two quick things:</p>
<p>You state in a big bold letters that cap-and-trade is equivalent to a carbon tax, but then you go on to explain a) how it's only economically equivalent (whatever *that* means) and then b) all sorts of other differences.  It seems to me that your big bold lettered message isn't at all what you want Canadian voters to understand.</p>
<p>Also, in your second last sentence you say ".. in my opinion, we're already playing catch-up" when refering to our country dealing with greenhouse gas emisions.  Let's be clear: we can stop playing it safe now with our language -- we certainly *are* playing catch-up now.  It's not just your opinion or really a point worth debating now.  We *are* in a big mess and the time to start fixing it was, you know, like, 35 years ago at least.</p>
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